just looks like deus ex in a new setting
*edit* its not a bad thing, but it isnt as revolutionary and overhyped as people make it to be
Jun 9, 2019 @ 2:32pm
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🆂🅺🅴🅻🅴🆃🅾🆁 replied to just looks like deus ex in a new setting June 13, 2020 @ 4:43:19 pm PDT
yeah im sorry the years of injustice you had to sit through being forced to play a male. god forbid a creative artist has the freedom to design what they like without being forced to cater to a narrative.Originally posted by Lamiosa:Cyberpunk has one feature Deus Ex and even Witcher 3 did not have and why I buy Cyberpunk. Not being forced to play a male.
But seriously, if you watched the gameplay videos, they do not look the slightest like the one of Deus Ex. The world of Deus Ex looks more strict and dark, Cyberpunk is also dirty, but looks more full of life and like it has a soul. The whole setting is also other.
12:04 am, June 14, 2020
🆂🅺🅴🅻🅴🆃🅾🆁 replied to just looks like deus ex in a new setting June 13, 2020 @ 12:06:50 pm PDT
yeah thats what im afraid of is the overhype. it just feels like mankind divided or human revolution but with gender options. its not revolutionary as they are nutting all over it on forums and reddit and gaming sites. it doesnt mean its a bad game but its raising the expectation bar wayyyy too high. its like meeting a chick for the first time and you overhype your pipe game for weeks before having sex.Originally posted by Simon:Oh it’s definitely overhyped. It’s sad when you feel disappointed for a game before it’s even released because the level of hype is that high. I’m just that cynical now, but with plenty of good reason (Watch Dogs anyone?). Will the in-game graphics match the previews or are they “vertically edited” (ie not real time) and will be dumbed down like in Watch Dogs?
Having said that, if the game is half as good as promised it should still be decent. I prefer to have lower expectations that are exceeded than the reverse, but these days games never really manage to exceed expectations however. Just for once I’d love it if a developer didn’t reveal any footage or details about a game before its release and then suddenly: bam there it is: in full, so any hype is completely player generated and not artificially manipulated. That’s more or less how it used to be.
This doesn’t fit with modern business practices however; especially when they want to sell preorders (which is a cancer of its own). It’s now standard for AAA titles to have a hype machine of staggered reveals lasting 3 years or longer before release. By the time release arrives they want you to be in such a frenzy of delayed gratification that you’ll buy anything no matter what. You’ll also feel like you’ve played the game for a while already because you’ve seen that much footage from it; so that also degrades the experience somewhat.
It’s funny because I thought this game looked like a Deus Ex-GTA hybrid. Many of the cyberpunk tropes are in or borrowed directly from Deus Ex (which in turn borrowed from earlier games too), such as “cyberwear” (augmentations) and even some of the cyberwear mentioned are exactly the same as in Deus Ex.
I hope this game manages to create more of a living/breathing open world than Deus Ex has (more akin to GTA) and from the sound of things that’s the intention. I also hope it’s not too short because game lengths have been gradually declining for years, only to be subsequently brought up by paid DLC expansions. It’s a $90 launch price in Australia, so that’s a lot!
I was kind of disappointed in recent Deus Ex games so I hope this manages to be better.
12:04 am, June 14, 2020
Simon replied to just looks like deus ex in a new setting June 13, 2020 @ 8:15:11 am PDT
Oh it’s definitely overhyped. It’s sad when you feel disappointed for a game before it’s even released because the level of hype is that high. I’m just that cynical now, but with plenty of good reason (Watch Dogs anyone?). Will the in-game graphics match the previews or are they “vertically edited” (ie not real time) and will be dumbed down like in Watch Dogs?
Having said that, if the game is half as good as promised it should still be decent. I prefer to have lower expectations that are exceeded than the reverse, but these days games never really manage to exceed expectations however. Just for once I’d love it if a developer didn’t reveal any footage or details about a game before its release and then suddenly: bam there it is: in full, so any hype is completely player generated and not artificially manipulated. That’s more or less how it used to be.
This doesn’t fit with modern business practices however; especially when they want to sell preorders (which is a cancer of its own). It’s now standard for AAA titles to have a hype machine of staggered reveals lasting 3 years or longer before release. By the time release arrives they want you to be in such a frenzy of delayed gratification that you’ll buy anything no matter what. You’ll also feel like you’ve played the game for a while already because you’ve seen that much footage from it; so that also degrades the experience somewhat.
It’s funny because I thought this game looked like a Deus Ex-GTA hybrid. Many of the cyberpunk tropes are in or borrowed directly from Deus Ex (which in turn borrowed from earlier games too), such as “cyberwear” (augmentations) and even some of the cyberwear mentioned are exactly the same as in Deus Ex.
I hope this game manages to create more of a living/breathing open world than Deus Ex has (more akin to GTA) and from the sound of things that’s the intention. I also hope it’s not too short because game lengths have been gradually declining for years, only to be subsequently brought up by paid DLC expansions. It’s a $90 launch price in Australia, so that’s a lot!
I was kind of disappointed in recent Deus Ex games so I hope this manages to be better.
12:04 am, June 14, 2020
Lamiosa replied to just looks like deus ex in a new setting June 14, 2020 @ 6:45:14 am PDT
Originally posted by Hadrian Marlowe:A good character is defined by perspective, ordeals, strengths and weaknesses, laurels and flaws, their objectives, the key moment(s) that drove them to where they are, how far they're willing to go to get things done, their moral ground and what its worth, etc. Once you start looking into all of that and more, you'll find yourself connecting with the character regardless of differing physiological or physical attributes. This isn't the author "forcing" you into a role, rather, this is the author encouraging you to broaden your perspective, appreciate the uniqueness of a character who is their own, to be introspective and find common ground. Both the Witcher 3 and Deus Ex handled all of that very well in my opinion, so the protagonists' sex is never a good determinant of basically anything.Originally posted by Lamiosa:Cyberpunk has one feature Deus Ex and even Witcher 3 did not have and why I buy Cyberpunk. Not being forced to play a male.
Yeah, I respect people who can free themselves from gender and play just anything, but I do not enjoy playing male the slightest and always have to think about if game forces me to. Especially the Witcher forced the player to play a role which confronted the player to reflect a male role lots, if you just think of how he acted with females.
One can argue to go beyond the physical looks and play a feminine male or masculine male, but it would still be both male to me. In the end its even more playing a male I do not like than the feminine or masculine part, as I do not have issues with masculine females in games.
Gender is still a core element to me and there are not many RPGs where the dialogues or actions are completly "genderless". It also would be strange or unrealistic as it is normal that NPCs react to your physical looks, as its also in RL with peoples.
12:04 am, June 15, 2020
Lamiosa replied to just looks like deus ex in a new setting June 13, 2020 @ 1:42:35 pm PDT
Cyberpunk has one feature Deus Ex and even Witcher 3 did not have and why I buy Cyberpunk. Not being forced to play a male.
But seriously, if you watched the gameplay videos, they do not look the slightest like the one of Deus Ex. The world of Deus Ex looks more strict and dark, Cyberpunk is also dirty, but looks more full of life and like it has a soul. The whole setting is also other.
12:04 am, June 14, 2020
Hadrian Marlowe replied to just looks like deus ex in a new setting June 14, 2020 @ 1:44:38 am PDT
A good character is defined by perspective, ordeals, strengths and weaknesses, laurels and flaws, their objectives, the key moment(s) that drove them to where they are, how far they're willing to go to get things done, their moral ground and what its worth, etc. Once you start looking into all of that and more, you'll find yourself connecting with the character regardless of differing physiological or physical attributes. This isn't the author "forcing" you into a role, rather, this is the author encouraging you to broaden your perspective, appreciate the uniqueness of a character who is their own, to be introspective and find common ground. Both the Witcher 3 and Deus Ex handled all of that very well in my opinion, so the protagonists' sex is never a good determinant of basically anything.Originally posted by Lamiosa:Cyberpunk has one feature Deus Ex and even Witcher 3 did not have and why I buy Cyberpunk. Not being forced to play a male.
12:04 pm, June 14, 2020
Hadrian Marlowe replied to just looks like deus ex in a new setting June 14, 2020 @ 11:14:12 am PDT
Why is that an issue, is what I'm wondering, especially considering you just said its playing as the Male that bothers you more than being masculine or feminine. But I will encourage you to go beyond and try out new stuff, there's too much you're missing out on when you withdraw simply because of sex. People wouldn't read Nancy Drew back in the day simply because she is a girl. This sounds exactly the same to me.Originally posted by Lamiosa:Originally posted by Hadrian Marlowe:A good character is defined by perspective, ordeals, strengths and weaknesses, laurels and flaws, their objectives, the key moment(s) that drove them to where they are, how far they're willing to go to get things done, their moral ground and what its worth, etc. Once you start looking into all of that and more, you'll find yourself connecting with the character regardless of differing physiological or physical attributes. This isn't the author "forcing" you into a role, rather, this is the author encouraging you to broaden your perspective, appreciate the uniqueness of a character who is their own, to be introspective and find common ground. Both the Witcher 3 and Deus Ex handled all of that very well in my opinion, so the protagonists' sex is never a good determinant of basically anything.
Yeah, I respect people who can free themselves from gender and play just anything, but I do not enjoy playing male the slightest and always have to think about if game forces me to. Especially the Witcher forced the player to play a role which confronted the player to reflect a male role lots, if you just think of how he acted with females.
One can argue to go beyond the physical looks and play a feminine male or masculine male, but it would still be both male to me. In the end its even more playing a male I do not like than the feminine or masculine part, as I do not have issues with masculine females in games.
Gender is still a core element to me and there are not many RPGs where the dialogues or actions are completly "genderless". It also would be strange or unrealistic as it is normal that NPCs react to your physical looks, as its also in RL with peoples.
I can partly understand your point about Witcher, but Deus Ex has none of that, not by the protagonist anyway. The writing behind the games and Jensen is so good, so is the gameplay. You could at least give it a shot, got nothing to lose.
12:04 am, June 15, 2020
Darkie replied to just looks like deus ex in a new setting June 14, 2020 @ 11:44:01 am PDT
Originally posted by Sardukhar:I always thought Deus Ex looked like a reskinned Wolfenstein 3D. Basically, Cyberpunk 2077 is Wolfenstein 3D, updated.
Right?
Actually Deus Ex is just Hexen with stealth
12:04 am, June 15, 2020
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